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Wireless Dance Pads have Two Left Feet
by Ian Bogost January 7, 2005

Dance pad vs. Dance padI hate wires. Hate them. One of the main advantages to the early GameCube days for me was the WaveBird, in my opinion the first good quality wireless controller. So, I was thrilled this holiday season when I saw Datel's PS2800D Wireless Dance Pad. It's got the same non-slip bottom and 1" foam insert material as RedOctane's excellent Ignition Pad, but the Datel runs wirelessly. And best of all, the Datel costs $49.99, half as much as the Ignition.

I bought two of these Datel pads recently and just got a chance to try them out tonight. The pads themselves are very similar. The Datel seems a little smaller than the RedOctane, but comparing them side by side showed that this was an illusion. There is a bit more room around the zipper area in the Ignition pad; I found it very difficult to zipper in the Datel's foam pads, and once I had done it the Datel appeared to bow a bit off the floor. The Datel's padding feels ever so slightly more supple than the RedOctane, but the Ignition's directional pads are slightly raised from the pad surface. The raised edge helps me orient my feet on the pad during play. Maybe more coordinated players don't need it.

After a few rounds of DDR Max 2, I got the distinct sensation that I wasn't doing as well as I usually do. I'm no arcade snake DDR head-turner, but there are a number of songs on that release in particular that I perform well at consistently. After a few rounds of D grades instead of my usual A's, I wondered... could there be a delay between the wireless transmission and its receipt at the console? DDR requires such precise timing that even a minute delay could have been the reason I was scoring so many Greats and so few Perfects.

So, I decided to test it out. I must have played "Conga Fever" a few dozen times. Read on for my results, which spell certain disaster for the Datel pads.

The pads and their batteries were new out of the box, so I felt confident I had a reasonably controlled experiment on my hands (or feet, more properly). First I played several rounds of Conga Fever on the Datel pad. My scores were consistently mediocre -- about 30 Perfects, 85 Greats, and 30 Goods. Then I plugged in my Ignition pad and enjoyed the higher scores I'm used to -- about 90 Perfects, 30 Greats, and 25 Goods. It seemed plausible that the wireless transmission might be delaying my key presses. But I still found it hard to believe. I could see the little arrows at the top of the screen throb when I stepped on both pads, and I couldn't discern any visible delay. If there was one, it must have been minute. Of course, a minute delay could easily make the difference between a Great and a Perfect, perhaps explaining why I had so many Greats on the Datel that registered as Perfects on the RedOctane.

I knew that the Datel pads operated on a 2.4 Ghz wireless frequency, like many other consumer electronics these days. Maybe wireless interference was causing the problem. We have a 900 mHz phone, so that wouldn't be an issue, but I do have an 802.11g router, which also transmits at 2.4 Ghz. So, I unplugged the router and tried again on the Datel. Same results, about 30 Perfects to 80 Greats.

Desperately wanting the wireless dance pads to work out, I reasoned that this particular Datel pad might be faulty. Luckily, I had bought two. I cracked open the second and connected it up. Same results, right around 30 Perfects to 85 Greats on average. After this, I could only conclude that there was in fact some delayed response in the Datel wireless pad. I packed the two pads up to return to Best Buy.

But I wondered -- would all wireless controllers have this problem? Is the slightly delayed response time unique to the hardware, or is DDR in particular a game that demands extremely accurate input response? Luckily, I also had a brand new Logitech Cordless Action Controller. Now, playing DDR using the D-pad is a lot harder than playing on the dance pad. But I figured that if I experienced commensurate performance on the Logitech controller and the normal wired DualShock, then I could conclude that the defect is in the Datel pads, not the use of wireless controllers in general for dance games.

So, I endured several more plays of the same bloody Conga Fever song. Sure enough, my performance was significantly worse using the controller compared to the dance pad, around 50 - 60 Perfects, 75 - 90 Greats, and under 5 Goods. However, my performance was roughly equal on both the wired and the wireless controllers. If anything, I seemed to do slightly better using the wireless controller.

While my study wasn't truly scientific, I think I can nevertheless conclude that Datel wireless dance pads effectively reduce the player's performance in DDR-style games. Worse, the performance degradation is unpredictable; the minute delay in wireless transmission or reception can easily disrupt the player's rhythm in the game. Given my continued insistence that the incremental motivation of DDR-style scoring is key to the genre's effectiveness as an exercise tool, in my opinion Datel's product effectively destroys the exercise potential of these games.

Datel manufactures a whole lot of electronic components, and it's possible that they just included an inferior transmitter and/or receiver in this product. Perhaps part of their motivation was to undercut market leader RedOctane's price. It's clear to me now that the 50% savings just isn't worth it. Of course, it's possible that another manufacturer could solve this problem -- it doesn't strike me as a major technical challenge. Yet, I fear that enough buyers of Datel's inferior pads might be turned off to future wireless dance pads, or even to RedOctane's similarly designed Ignition pads. Worse, some consumers undoubtedly purchased a DDR whole setup for the holidays, and they may attribute their unpredictable performance to the software rather than the hardware.

It's interesting to see how minor changes in peripheral response can create massive waves of influence in gameplay. While DDR is a unique case, it strikes me that there may be other, harder to find cases where peripherals have a greater effect on gameplay or player response than we may think. It seems credible that there is both a tactile and a technological influence in fitness games, a connection worth exploring further.

Comments (34)

We had the same problem until we realized that the transmitter device that plugs into the controller port on the PS2 has a button on the left side. Once we pushed the button the RX light came on. The button is difficult to notice if you don't look carefully. Maybe we should have read the instructions.

Wow, I'm pretty sure we pressed the button on the receiver. Did you experience faster performance? My pad worked fine, just felt slow.

I wish there was a way to plug this into a gamecube

Joe -- look here.

I purchased this pad and was similarly disappointed. I am not at all an experienced player, still, with this pad, it seemed to drop steps that I was certain I hit right. I suspect it might be the "supple" pad beneath that pads shocks more, but doesn't give as reliable a connection. Then, it may also be me losing my orientation due to the lack of the raised arrows.

OK - bought the wireless Datel XB0800D Dance Pad. No instructions, save battery installation details. Figured out what goes where and loaded XobX with DDR Ultramix 2.

Don't know beans about the program, but selected all defaults and engaged that game. Commodore's Brick House ques up and starts only to have the screeen fade to grey and "FAILED" appear on-screen.

Don't know which part to fault: software or Dance Pad.

Would appreciate any suggestions or directions to take.

I recently bought two as well. One of them I find works absolutely great, but for the other one, the reciever that is plugged into my playstation turns itself off and on randomly. I was dancing against my boyfriend and was getting really frustrated because I knew I was hitting at the right time, but the game kept saying boo. We finally noticed that the orange light on the reciever would turn on and off randomly, thus not registering my footsteps. I am definately returning this one to best buy. Oh, and I didn't get any instructions in with of my boxes as well.

Also, when I first started, I failed a lot too. You just have to start out on a slow song so that you can get the hang of when to step and which foot is best to use for the up and down arrows. I'd say give it a little more time before you decide to return the dance pad.

we got th edateldance pad and it doesnt work :( the battery box switches on and off randomly so we just play with the controller and pretend to dance along with it! woo hoo

Get a dance pad with a wire if you can!!!!!!!!!!! i think the waire less are SHITT

I am a person who likes to play Heavy mode on most of my songs. And my pad is wire and cant seem to handle it, already popped out the wires they almost broke and im TIRED of thoose stupid wires but now i dont know what to do. Stop playing at all? (sorry about my grammer and bad spelling)

I just took back one to Best Buy that wasn't registering the back and left arrows. So, I got back to my house, put it together, and began to play. But while I was playing, I noticed that the orange light kept switiching on and off, thus giving me boos and not counting the arrow hit. I read that the same thing happened to several other people. Is there something we're just not realizing about the product that is actually easy to fix? I don't want to take another one back without seeing if I can do anything about it. Let me know! Thanks for the help!

I just took back one to Best Buy that wasn't registering the back and left arrows. So, I got back to my house, put it together, and began to play. But while I was playing, I noticed that the orange light kept switiching on and off, thus giving me boos and not counting the arrow hit. I read that the same thing happened to several other people. Is there something we're just not realizing about the product that is actually easy to fix? I don't want to take another one back without seeing if I can do anything about it. Let me know! Thanks for the help!

got one and it worked slow like everyone elses. Bought a second and it would not allow the wireless ones to be on together, maybe the frequencys are the same?

Bought one from Best Buy and it did not work. I took it back and got the same results from the new one. Called the Best Buy and asked the Service Rep. and he stated they have problems with this brand. Very frustrated that Best Buy knows this and still sells this company's trash(Datel)

Just brought one last night - have found a significant delay. I play on average about 6-7 difficulty and got this new pad, threw it in and thought I would stay where I was. To my surprise ...I ended up failing a song I get b's and a's on. I lowered it down to a light song and went through slower, still 'Greats' and very few perfects. I tested for a delay. I would hit each note just slightly before I was supposed to and it would register as perfect.

Also, mine cut off and wouldn't stay on when I cut it back on...put it away for a while now. Also, you have to hit the pads HARD to get a reaction out of them, it doesn't register light taps. It also reads only about half of the square.

My pad delayed slower then my great great great... grandma. I got that crap pad at Best Buy(not named very well) and after about a week the pad started to rip in lots of place. My little brother who's 5 stepped on it and it ripped. He weighs 40 pounds and it still ripped.I took it back and got the Mad Catz one which wasnt much better. It didnt delay but it ripped too. I dunno what kinda to get. Any suggestions?

Shawn - I just started having the same exact problem. It was working fine for the first 2 days and then it suddenly started having that issue.

I just got a Datel wireless dance pad. It was an open box deal without a manual or anything.

Can someone let me know what other parts should I have besides just the pad and the foam inserts. Also has anyone tried connecting this to their PC?

Peace

We just bought one and used for about 2 hours and now the power supply is not working! We will be returning it to Best Buy tomorrow and getting a Wired Version it looks like from everyone elses comments.

My kids just reecived two Datel Wireless pads and DDR games from the Easter Bunny. I have tried the last two hours to make them work. I can't get the power supply to stay on and I can't get the game to recognize the pad. You can only imagine what a BUST this Easter is for my kids. At least the stuffed bunnies they got are reliable. :) Any suggestions? There were NO instructions other than how to put the batteries and foam inserts in.

I knew I should have researched this purchase! I grabbed a Datel at Best buy on a whim with the intention of working out, and it sucks. The receiver doesn't want to see the pad reliably at any distance. Back to Best Buy it goes. I was worried at first the mods had messed it up somehow, but it looks like the failure is consistent. Alas.

Just got one for next to nothing at an online auction. It feels great, easy on the knees with the foam and all, but it truly blows chunks in usefullness as a dance pad. Even though it was almost free with shipping, I got ripped. Save your dough.

i am a very experienced player getting AA's and SDG's on heavy (no modz) songz for all u noobz sdg stands for single digit geats meaning 1-9. i would say build your own metal pad which is bout $100-$150 or buy 1 for about $200-$400 becauz home padz like mad catz and other brandz r shit and u keep on having to buy new 1z red octane's r the best u can buy andf detelz r just shit. if u want to buy a good ddr mat buy a metal 1 becauz by the time u get as good as me u'll probably wasted enough money and u would have been able to buy 2 or so metal padz. The soft onez r crap and they rip. I went throug 1 in 4 dayz.

wow,

just bought a datel pad and called their customer support they dont even make the pad, so i called the people who do and they wouldnt pick up. so im pissed. how do you turn the receiver light on??????

anton Anger on June 1, 2005 9:09 PM

datel fucking blows ass chunks... making me think i was crazy n shit, flicking that damn reciever until it would turn on for two seconds. i work at best buy and hate myself all the more for it. i'm going with the ignition.

BKD out.

Datel Raper on June 20, 2005 7:39 AM

Wow. I've only played on Red Octane pads and the aracde versions but hearin your stories is upsetting. My friend had a Datel and had to return it as well

To make this short, just buy an Ignition. They're expensive but last longer. I play mostly on Heavy and have had the sme pad for almost 10 monthes now, no flaws. The only good wireless you can get is the gamecube controller. I've learned my lesson.

I have had one of these for a year and I'm no serious player. I played about once or twice a month. I just got a second one so I can play two player. But I would like to know if you can actually use two because of the wireless connection? And everyone else-- I can still get A's with this mat!

Omg. I went all around looking for a good dance pad, but me, being dumb I didn't research any. I went to Best Buys, and saw the Datel one for 44 bucks. In my mind, I thought to myself.. this is a little cheap for a dance pad that is meant to be good, right? So.. Being optimistic, I baught it, and it connected very well, I was all excited and turned on a song, I knew very well and get AA's on. With the Datel Pad.. I ended up with E's and D's. I am VERY upset. Tomorrow, I will be going back to best buy.

Ok, I've had this Datel mat for a while now, and it used to work fine, but I recently got it out after a few months' break, and it doesn't work anymore! I don't know where I put the instructions, so I'm not sure if it's a technical malfunction or if I'm doing something wrong. Can somebody help me, please?

I turn on the power button on the mat, and then press the side button on the remote that's plugged into the PS2. A yellow light flashes for a few seconds, and then goes off, and my mat doesn't work at all. Please help!!

the dance pads that for me seam to work better are the black w/ like red ,yellow ,and green.also they might be just the right amount of squishy .

sarah dirkey on February 5, 2006 6:02 PM

hey shawndsm

get a new pad if that still hapens get new software.

WE BOUGHT THE DATEL AND COULD NOT GET IT TO WORK IS THERE SUPOSE TO BE A DISK FOR THE PS2 BECAUSE WE DID NOT GET ONE.

Bought it for xbox, it worked for two hours and now trying to figure out why the console doesn't recognize it. pressing the rx button it resets and turns yellow for a bit and then green, which I would think would help. Red power light on pad is on but still nothing. Would be nice if there was anything in this two page instructions about troubleshooting. I have turned things on and off several times, no luck. Bad machine? Scores were worse than usual also. Should I switch to the Ignition (sounds like very few problems) or just get a wired one?

Wow. Everyone seems to have problems with the Datel. In all actuality, I've done this kind of scenario. I bought the Gamestop mat (Horrible mat) for 20.00, got home, and screwed up badly because I kept hitting the buttons Gamestop so stupidly put on the bottom left and right corners. I turned off Dance Play, and I was fine until the mat ripped and stopped functioning all together. *sigh* If you want to avoid these problems all together do yourself a favor and go get an Ignition Pad from Red Octane. It's really really nice, and it's a good buy, even if it is around $79.99.

Kawaii Neko-chan on February 25, 2006 9:16 PM